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miscellanium) wrote2022-09-24 05:09 pm
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baby dane miscellany
so i was poking around, as you do, and noticed that dane's wikipedia entry had a new citation. turns out someone clipped this interview from 1960 and generously made it public for all. i've re-uploaded it so there should be no questions about access.
i'm fascinated by his choice to switch from larry or lawrence zahab to lawrence dane (though by all accounts he still went by larry in non-professional settings) - most likely it was for a depressing pedestrian reason such as not wanting to sound too "ethnic" but i do wonder why dane of all names. sure, it sounds great, but where did that come from? i haven't located his answer to this question yet, but that's all right for now. he's zahab in the interview and he's adorable. he looks like a baby compared to how i know him best and he's only 22! when i was 22 i was wrapping up college (finished a year later than "normal" because i finished high school a year late due to a stint in hospital) and it doesn't seem like he went to college. it's both interesting and sobering to think about how much things have changed between now and then with regards to expectations around a college education. now you can barely do anything without a BA, but when he was a young man you could get by on experience alone. lots of people have remarked on this before in more eloquent ways so i won't get too deep into it, especially because you don't exactly need a rigorous higher education to become a fine actor.
the interview is so fun to read and there's quotes in there that show he was passionate about the state of canadian theatre and film his entire life, which i find very endearing. especially the part where he just whips out cash for a membership upon being told there was a fundraising effort for a professional theater in his home town of ottowa... baby.....
it also mentions that he played football, which i was quite surprised by for reasons unknown even to myself. i guess i don't usually think of actors as being athletes? or manual laborers, another thing the interview says he did for a while before really committing to acting. very grateful he made enough progress with his career to leave that behind. but i was intrigued by the football mention, especially since it named both teams he played for, and after some basic sleuthing i found a whole webpage dedicated to the canadian junior football league. i've linked directly to the page about the short-lived league specific to ottowa, but if you have an interest in football in general the rest of the blog seems worth perusing.
i want to highlight the two photos i found of him on that page; they're not nearly as clear as the adorable one in the 1960 interview, of course, but they're still very obviously him.
in this one he's number 48, if you needed the assistance; he's credited as zahab here, of course, and the same goes for the following image where he's number 50. he doesn't have the same wide grin but in a way that makes him more easily identifiable since you can really see his bone structure.
(idk why op separated the image from the text for this second photo but if/when i re-upload these to my personal website i'll join them up again. considering i was heavily inspired by cody nelson as a young fujin it stands to reason i should dedicate a section of my personal website to dane the same way nelson has space dedicated to a favorite actor of theirs. Anyway,)
i don't remember enough about amefuto from eyeshield 21 to speak to what the jersey numbers mean, though the 1960 interview says he played tackle for both teams. i also don't know enough about the culture of switching teams year to year.... the first one was from 1954 while the second is from 1955, meaning he would have been around 18 depending on when the west end cobras photo was taken (he was born in 1937). thinking about him being 18 makes me go insane so i won't dwell on it, though if the 1960 photo is anything to go by he was absolutely a little heartthrob. no wonder he had a reputation for being a playboy in 1976. okay i say little but you can clearly see how much taller he is than the other guys and the 1960 interview acknowledges this by noting how he's over six feet tall.
that brings me to something else i wanted to remark on: when describing him, the 1960 profiler makes a very strange comment. grantham says that "Virile roles suit [Dane] well" and then goes on to make this even weirder remark: "He can simulate a variety of racial types, too - North American Indian, Italian, Middle Eastern, Pakistani, as well as just Canadian." leaving aside the blisteringly obvious racism of using "canadian" as shorthand for "white", surely this local person knew he was from a lebanese family..... but, well, even decades later people could mistake him for italian lol. goes to show how race is fake and/or how the western concept of race vs ethnicity has been thoroughly fucked up, i guess.
anyway, i think it's extremely sexy of a cis man to describe another cis man as virile, regardless of whatever was intended by that. thank you for your service, ronald grantham! i'm also glad to have the description of his family situation because i was able to poke around and discovered that his father died very suddenly in 1954. the obituary mentions a brother that isn't named in the 1960 profile and idk what was going on with phillip. something for me to research another time! [2023 eta: philip/phillip died in 1957, which would be why he's not mentioned in 1960.] i can't imagine what it'd be like to have a parent die when you're not even 17 yet (dane's birthday was in april and his father died in january) but i don't know what his relationship with his father was like. he'd be from a generation where paternal intimacy wasn't really a thing, broadly speaking, and where men being vulnerable was generally frowned upon. even in the 1976 macleans profile it's other people who describe him as being emotionally vulnerable at all - he doesn't address it himself.
by all accounts he did all right for himself in his personal life, making and keeping friends and all that, and an interview in rue morgue magazine issue 96 makes it clear that he knew his passion project (rituals) had a dedicated fanbase. i'll talk about that interview soon - it's really very sweet and confirms a lot of things i'd been making educated guesses about. there's even more media out there i'm trying to get ahold of, but the 1960 profile is a wonderful find since it makes for a lovely bookend of sorts with the rue morgue interview.
this was a bit of a ramble but thanks for sticking it out if you made it to the end. and as always, let me know if you have any thoughts or questions.
i'm fascinated by his choice to switch from larry or lawrence zahab to lawrence dane (though by all accounts he still went by larry in non-professional settings) - most likely it was for a depressing pedestrian reason such as not wanting to sound too "ethnic" but i do wonder why dane of all names. sure, it sounds great, but where did that come from? i haven't located his answer to this question yet, but that's all right for now. he's zahab in the interview and he's adorable. he looks like a baby compared to how i know him best and he's only 22! when i was 22 i was wrapping up college (finished a year later than "normal" because i finished high school a year late due to a stint in hospital) and it doesn't seem like he went to college. it's both interesting and sobering to think about how much things have changed between now and then with regards to expectations around a college education. now you can barely do anything without a BA, but when he was a young man you could get by on experience alone. lots of people have remarked on this before in more eloquent ways so i won't get too deep into it, especially because you don't exactly need a rigorous higher education to become a fine actor.
the interview is so fun to read and there's quotes in there that show he was passionate about the state of canadian theatre and film his entire life, which i find very endearing. especially the part where he just whips out cash for a membership upon being told there was a fundraising effort for a professional theater in his home town of ottowa... baby.....
it also mentions that he played football, which i was quite surprised by for reasons unknown even to myself. i guess i don't usually think of actors as being athletes? or manual laborers, another thing the interview says he did for a while before really committing to acting. very grateful he made enough progress with his career to leave that behind. but i was intrigued by the football mention, especially since it named both teams he played for, and after some basic sleuthing i found a whole webpage dedicated to the canadian junior football league. i've linked directly to the page about the short-lived league specific to ottowa, but if you have an interest in football in general the rest of the blog seems worth perusing.
i want to highlight the two photos i found of him on that page; they're not nearly as clear as the adorable one in the 1960 interview, of course, but they're still very obviously him.
in this one he's number 48, if you needed the assistance; he's credited as zahab here, of course, and the same goes for the following image where he's number 50. he doesn't have the same wide grin but in a way that makes him more easily identifiable since you can really see his bone structure.
(idk why op separated the image from the text for this second photo but if/when i re-upload these to my personal website i'll join them up again. considering i was heavily inspired by cody nelson as a young fujin it stands to reason i should dedicate a section of my personal website to dane the same way nelson has space dedicated to a favorite actor of theirs. Anyway,)
i don't remember enough about amefuto from eyeshield 21 to speak to what the jersey numbers mean, though the 1960 interview says he played tackle for both teams. i also don't know enough about the culture of switching teams year to year.... the first one was from 1954 while the second is from 1955, meaning he would have been around 18 depending on when the west end cobras photo was taken (he was born in 1937). thinking about him being 18 makes me go insane so i won't dwell on it, though if the 1960 photo is anything to go by he was absolutely a little heartthrob. no wonder he had a reputation for being a playboy in 1976. okay i say little but you can clearly see how much taller he is than the other guys and the 1960 interview acknowledges this by noting how he's over six feet tall.
that brings me to something else i wanted to remark on: when describing him, the 1960 profiler makes a very strange comment. grantham says that "Virile roles suit [Dane] well" and then goes on to make this even weirder remark: "He can simulate a variety of racial types, too - North American Indian, Italian, Middle Eastern, Pakistani, as well as just Canadian." leaving aside the blisteringly obvious racism of using "canadian" as shorthand for "white", surely this local person knew he was from a lebanese family..... but, well, even decades later people could mistake him for italian lol. goes to show how race is fake and/or how the western concept of race vs ethnicity has been thoroughly fucked up, i guess.
anyway, i think it's extremely sexy of a cis man to describe another cis man as virile, regardless of whatever was intended by that. thank you for your service, ronald grantham! i'm also glad to have the description of his family situation because i was able to poke around and discovered that his father died very suddenly in 1954. the obituary mentions a brother that isn't named in the 1960 profile and idk what was going on with phillip. something for me to research another time! [2023 eta: philip/phillip died in 1957, which would be why he's not mentioned in 1960.] i can't imagine what it'd be like to have a parent die when you're not even 17 yet (dane's birthday was in april and his father died in january) but i don't know what his relationship with his father was like. he'd be from a generation where paternal intimacy wasn't really a thing, broadly speaking, and where men being vulnerable was generally frowned upon. even in the 1976 macleans profile it's other people who describe him as being emotionally vulnerable at all - he doesn't address it himself.
by all accounts he did all right for himself in his personal life, making and keeping friends and all that, and an interview in rue morgue magazine issue 96 makes it clear that he knew his passion project (rituals) had a dedicated fanbase. i'll talk about that interview soon - it's really very sweet and confirms a lot of things i'd been making educated guesses about. there's even more media out there i'm trying to get ahold of, but the 1960 profile is a wonderful find since it makes for a lovely bookend of sorts with the rue morgue interview.
this was a bit of a ramble but thanks for sticking it out if you made it to the end. and as always, let me know if you have any thoughts or questions.